Oh Dean and Zev, This is a gift from heaven re the voting machines. I hope you can make this a 1-5, all five Hot Topic Sibstact discussions. This info needs to be spread across our nations. Maybe it’s time for paper ballots??
I know you prepared this very informative post and do appreciate all the work it must have taken, and all the posts you do. I do my best to keep myself informed. Don’t see all the posts, but this particular one is dynamite. Than you Dissent in Bloom ❤️
It has never been the time for non-paper ballots. Electronic only? Not to be trusted. And internet connection? You've told me the system is corruptible and/or corrupt. Not to be trusted. "de minimis" software changes? Do you think we're that gullible? Paper ballots and an audit trail. Local election officials - your neighbors. That's the only acceptable alternative. Some things in modern technology are not improvements.
Connect with Steven Spoonamore - he has also been beating this drum for 8-months. He is here on Substack. He is an expert in software and stats. Like renowned expert. He SHOULD have been listened to. But the Harris campaign were too busy trying to “virtue signal” that they won’t go where those dirty Republicans went… they wouldn’t listen.
Many attempts at lawsuits to force a look into these huge irregularities - but in most states, the person running for office is considered the one with “standing” - the injured party- to file a lawsuit. (Not the people, which is weird.)
Solution : do what Canada does. We vote only on paper ballots. They send you to a booth, based on address. The ballot goes into their locked , sealed, box. It’s the same system many places use. The ballots are counted by officials, in front of “scrutineers” from each party. The scrutineers are volunteers from the party who sit beside the officials and watch them count and recount the ballots. They examine them after, in front of the officials, and they count them as well. The tally is only reported when the officials repeated count, and scrutineers repeat count, all are equal. Since most boxes have less than 500 ballots, it only takes a couple hours. (At least when I did the job of scrutineer for a party. ) because you are all face to face, on a bare gym floor in our case, there’s no room for grandstanding, or acting up, or making any sort of change to any ballot.
In the event of an unresolvable allegation of irregularity or disagreement, more election officials would be brought in, along with lawyers and federal cops.
Of course that’s do- able because Canadians hold one election at a time, and we don’t vote for two dozen minor offices, which can easily be filled by advertising and hiring the most qualified person!!! - like district attorney, sheriff- those shouldn’t be political positions, they should be given to qualified applicants , subject to public oversight.
My opinion , but paper ballots is just the way to ensure no hanky panky, and much of the world uses them. Since republicans keep hollering about it, I say embrace the paper ballot, along with Epstein - dear MAGA base-you want it, let’s do it! It truly is a hell of a lot harder to influence a vote by fraud, if you have to count paper by hand, in teams which include all parties , and none can leave till they ALL AGREE.
Oh yeah, that’s the kicker. You can’t go, till it’s all agreed as “we counted three times, and the tally is 324 for Jordan Stevenson, 198 for Frundi Norseman 289 for Ginger Brown”
So no one fucks around. Or they will be a real tired asshole.
YES. Paper ballots. Though I would allow mark-sense ballots, counted by machine. Our system uses them: the machines are stress-tested the day before the election, and the tests are open to the public. Any machine that fails the test is pulled for repair or replacement. The machines have locked trays to collect the ballots, which are kept for any necessary audit. And since I know the town clerk and the election workers, I trust them.
Thank you. You have clarified exactly what needs to happen. Those are such substantive suggestions. So we know what we want. What will be our strategy to get paper ballots in place. Ib would benefit from a check list of what it will take to transition to paper ballots in time for next election. I find if you give people a blueprint for transition they feel more confident it can happen.
It doesn’t take a ridiculous long time, if there’s enough people. I mean I can’t say for sure they do it exactly the same in the biggest cities, but another issue the USA has is that they run all elections locally. Local rules, local printed ballots. Most countries the federal election is run by federal government, same rules for everyone, same ballot printing by the official national printer or even by a mint, to ensure the ballot uses the best technology to detect any potential fake. The other thing we did was check the number of voters who were registered and make sure the total registered voters who showed up / cast ballots was same as total in box. I just think computer vote machines are so complicated and they are being cared for by people who don’t understand them, or even anything software and hardware related.
And the issue even with machine count, is that some counties where they print a paper, in the last election, paper ballot counts aren’t agreeing with the machine counts. Like, that’s how they did hand recounts in Arizona after 2020 … and I didn’t think it was stupid, I thought it was stupid when they KEPT recounting over and over and over and over… then bringing in different companies to recount , etc.
like, if Kamala had asked for a hand recount, in swing states, and it happened, and it said “all good”… I wouldn’t be so (side eye… sus! )
But she didn’t. And the Steven Spoonamore guy I wrote about above- he said when he was pressing his contacts to get the Harris campaign to act, or contact him, that “important people” were getting angry about his constant pressing this issue, and that this friend was very worried he (Steven S) might like… fall out of a moving car, or a window , if he wasn’t careful.
I mean, they’ve had Scantron machines forever. They score standardized tests, the kind where you color in the answer to the test question on a separate page.
You are doing such deep investigating. I am amazed at your tenacity in digging through all of this. Your reporting doesn’t make me want to give up. It makes me want to know more and helps me see connections between things. You are brave and needed. Thank you.
Carry on, Dissent! Your investigative probing, clarity at every level, focus, and, in this post, action items too - all excellent. Deep appreciation for your astute work...thank you. Major reporting.
Thank you for today’s story. I just now became a paying subscriber, as I have enjoyed your work for free since I first found you, and feel that your investigative journalism is critical to get out to a wider audience.
I look forward to seeing your YouTube channel emerge. Best of luck with it; you will have an enormous audience there following your work very soon.
John Kerry threw Ohio in 2004. Ohio was a swing state. Apparently it was clear that some machines would tally a vote for Bush when the person voted for Kerry. Kerry shrugged it off and let Ohio go to Bush which resulted in him losing.
Thank you. Don't ever give up. And if there's any other way we can help (I'll be making calls to my legislators, both state and federal, and filing a complaint with the IG) let us know.
You prove everyday that outstanding journalism is alive and I thank goodness for you every time ai read one of your articles. Thank you for an outstanding articles everyday time you write!!!! This article proves that things are not well in our country and voting is in peril!!
Führer tRump has launched the initial stages of genocide. He has or is -
Diminishing Women's rights.
Eliminating food services for children and the elderly.
Disrupting our voters rights
Annihilating our judicial system and blatantly disregarding direct court orders.
Threatening judges and has begun arresting them and other government officials.
Releasing white verified criminals like, the January 6th insurrectionists and now there is talk about pardoning the cop that killed George Floyd.
He is deporting, detaining and disappearing innocent mothers and children, abducting students and kidnapping men of color without due process including legal green card holders and US citizens - babies!
Is building concentration like camps on American soil.
Tanking our economy and the world's while we tax-payers spend multi-millions for his weekly golf vacations and private entertainment.
Turning our allies into enemies and visa versa.
Dismantling our government.
Eliminating our civil liberties.
Discrediting our news and educational outlets or silencing them.
Threatening to control our streaming services.
Defunding the Affordable Care Act, Medicaid, Medicare - there was never even “a concept of a plan.“
Ending medical services for every one except the very rich, including services for child and elder care.
Abolishing and defunding our educational system and threatening our universities.
Erasing our history and banning our books.
Eliminating our science and medical research programs.
Eviscerating our weather and climate research. Say good-by to national weather alerts and FEMA disaster relief!
Please feel free to research and verify this information while you still can!
The only hope we have is ourselves. We the People need to peacefully reunite to overthrow the administration from hell! Consistently protest to demand change and stop the madness. Gather your family, friends, neighbors and co-workers and join the Resistance.
Enough is enough with the Democrats vs Republicans. They have all betrayed us. We need a new political party run by representatives of the people. Not the Musk Rat's American party!
If you want to earn more money and have access to affordable housing, education, medical, child and elder care watch Senator Sanders YouTube videos or check out BernieSanders.com. Senator Sanders has a plan that benefit every American even the MAGAts. For the sake of our families and our savings accounts give the man a chance to lead us out of this madness.
Check Mobilize.us regularly to find or post a resistance movement or protest event near you.
"We are no longer Democrats or Republicans. We are either patriots fighting the regime or we are complicit in its tyranny. There is no middle ground." ~America's Professor, Robert Reich
If you are not terrified you should be. Read the article below.
Thank you for all your hard work!!! Much appreciated!!
Oh Dean and Zev, This is a gift from heaven re the voting machines. I hope you can make this a 1-5, all five Hot Topic Sibstact discussions. This info needs to be spread across our nations. Maybe it’s time for paper ballots??
I wrote this 🩷 but I appreciate your support.
I know you prepared this very informative post and do appreciate all the work it must have taken, and all the posts you do. I do my best to keep myself informed. Don’t see all the posts, but this particular one is dynamite. Than you Dissent in Bloom ❤️
It has never been the time for non-paper ballots. Electronic only? Not to be trusted. And internet connection? You've told me the system is corruptible and/or corrupt. Not to be trusted. "de minimis" software changes? Do you think we're that gullible? Paper ballots and an audit trail. Local election officials - your neighbors. That's the only acceptable alternative. Some things in modern technology are not improvements.
The thing is, all software has 'securtiy certificates' that are accepted without any review at all.
This is also true of the thousands of updates we receive all the time.
The system is gamed. We should not be using the internet at all for critical processes
So agree with you!! PAPER ALL THE WAY!!
Substact not Sibstact
Connect with Steven Spoonamore - he has also been beating this drum for 8-months. He is here on Substack. He is an expert in software and stats. Like renowned expert. He SHOULD have been listened to. But the Harris campaign were too busy trying to “virtue signal” that they won’t go where those dirty Republicans went… they wouldn’t listen.
Many attempts at lawsuits to force a look into these huge irregularities - but in most states, the person running for office is considered the one with “standing” - the injured party- to file a lawsuit. (Not the people, which is weird.)
Solution : do what Canada does. We vote only on paper ballots. They send you to a booth, based on address. The ballot goes into their locked , sealed, box. It’s the same system many places use. The ballots are counted by officials, in front of “scrutineers” from each party. The scrutineers are volunteers from the party who sit beside the officials and watch them count and recount the ballots. They examine them after, in front of the officials, and they count them as well. The tally is only reported when the officials repeated count, and scrutineers repeat count, all are equal. Since most boxes have less than 500 ballots, it only takes a couple hours. (At least when I did the job of scrutineer for a party. ) because you are all face to face, on a bare gym floor in our case, there’s no room for grandstanding, or acting up, or making any sort of change to any ballot.
In the event of an unresolvable allegation of irregularity or disagreement, more election officials would be brought in, along with lawyers and federal cops.
Of course that’s do- able because Canadians hold one election at a time, and we don’t vote for two dozen minor offices, which can easily be filled by advertising and hiring the most qualified person!!! - like district attorney, sheriff- those shouldn’t be political positions, they should be given to qualified applicants , subject to public oversight.
My opinion , but paper ballots is just the way to ensure no hanky panky, and much of the world uses them. Since republicans keep hollering about it, I say embrace the paper ballot, along with Epstein - dear MAGA base-you want it, let’s do it! It truly is a hell of a lot harder to influence a vote by fraud, if you have to count paper by hand, in teams which include all parties , and none can leave till they ALL AGREE.
Oh yeah, that’s the kicker. You can’t go, till it’s all agreed as “we counted three times, and the tally is 324 for Jordan Stevenson, 198 for Frundi Norseman 289 for Ginger Brown”
So no one fucks around. Or they will be a real tired asshole.
YES. Paper ballots. Though I would allow mark-sense ballots, counted by machine. Our system uses them: the machines are stress-tested the day before the election, and the tests are open to the public. Any machine that fails the test is pulled for repair or replacement. The machines have locked trays to collect the ballots, which are kept for any necessary audit. And since I know the town clerk and the election workers, I trust them.
I miss the paper ballots!
Thank you. You have clarified exactly what needs to happen. Those are such substantive suggestions. So we know what we want. What will be our strategy to get paper ballots in place. Ib would benefit from a check list of what it will take to transition to paper ballots in time for next election. I find if you give people a blueprint for transition they feel more confident it can happen.
This is the way we do it in our small town, except the votes are tallied by computer first, then hand counted and certified.
It’s the way to go.
It doesn’t take a ridiculous long time, if there’s enough people. I mean I can’t say for sure they do it exactly the same in the biggest cities, but another issue the USA has is that they run all elections locally. Local rules, local printed ballots. Most countries the federal election is run by federal government, same rules for everyone, same ballot printing by the official national printer or even by a mint, to ensure the ballot uses the best technology to detect any potential fake. The other thing we did was check the number of voters who were registered and make sure the total registered voters who showed up / cast ballots was same as total in box. I just think computer vote machines are so complicated and they are being cared for by people who don’t understand them, or even anything software and hardware related.
And the issue even with machine count, is that some counties where they print a paper, in the last election, paper ballot counts aren’t agreeing with the machine counts. Like, that’s how they did hand recounts in Arizona after 2020 … and I didn’t think it was stupid, I thought it was stupid when they KEPT recounting over and over and over and over… then bringing in different companies to recount , etc.
like, if Kamala had asked for a hand recount, in swing states, and it happened, and it said “all good”… I wouldn’t be so (side eye… sus! )
But she didn’t. And the Steven Spoonamore guy I wrote about above- he said when he was pressing his contacts to get the Harris campaign to act, or contact him, that “important people” were getting angry about his constant pressing this issue, and that this friend was very worried he (Steven S) might like… fall out of a moving car, or a window , if he wasn’t careful.
I mean, they’ve had Scantron machines forever. They score standardized tests, the kind where you color in the answer to the test question on a separate page.
My point is, it doesn’t have to be complicated.
You are doing such deep investigating. I am amazed at your tenacity in digging through all of this. Your reporting doesn’t make me want to give up. It makes me want to know more and helps me see connections between things. You are brave and needed. Thank you.
Carry on, Dissent! Your investigative probing, clarity at every level, focus, and, in this post, action items too - all excellent. Deep appreciation for your astute work...thank you. Major reporting.
How do you feel about the Administration pushing voting by phone? I'm strongly opposed. Burner phones are part of my opposition.
Thank you for today’s story. I just now became a paying subscriber, as I have enjoyed your work for free since I first found you, and feel that your investigative journalism is critical to get out to a wider audience.
I look forward to seeing your YouTube channel emerge. Best of luck with it; you will have an enormous audience there following your work very soon.
I agree. I did the same last week.
How long have they been getting by with cheating and lying ? 2016 seems to be the magic number .
John Kerry threw Ohio in 2004. Ohio was a swing state. Apparently it was clear that some machines would tally a vote for Bush when the person voted for Kerry. Kerry shrugged it off and let Ohio go to Bush which resulted in him losing.
Thank you. Don't ever give up. And if there's any other way we can help (I'll be making calls to my legislators, both state and federal, and filing a complaint with the IG) let us know.
You prove everyday that outstanding journalism is alive and I thank goodness for you every time ai read one of your articles. Thank you for an outstanding articles everyday time you write!!!! This article proves that things are not well in our country and voting is in peril!!
Führer tRump has launched the initial stages of genocide. He has or is -
Diminishing Women's rights.
Eliminating food services for children and the elderly.
Disrupting our voters rights
Annihilating our judicial system and blatantly disregarding direct court orders.
Threatening judges and has begun arresting them and other government officials.
Releasing white verified criminals like, the January 6th insurrectionists and now there is talk about pardoning the cop that killed George Floyd.
He is deporting, detaining and disappearing innocent mothers and children, abducting students and kidnapping men of color without due process including legal green card holders and US citizens - babies!
Is building concentration like camps on American soil.
Tanking our economy and the world's while we tax-payers spend multi-millions for his weekly golf vacations and private entertainment.
Turning our allies into enemies and visa versa.
Dismantling our government.
Eliminating our civil liberties.
Discrediting our news and educational outlets or silencing them.
Threatening to control our streaming services.
Defunding the Affordable Care Act, Medicaid, Medicare - there was never even “a concept of a plan.“
Ending medical services for every one except the very rich, including services for child and elder care.
Abolishing and defunding our educational system and threatening our universities.
Erasing our history and banning our books.
Eliminating our science and medical research programs.
Eviscerating our weather and climate research. Say good-by to national weather alerts and FEMA disaster relief!
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Please feel free to research and verify this information while you still can!
The only hope we have is ourselves. We the People need to peacefully reunite to overthrow the administration from hell! Consistently protest to demand change and stop the madness. Gather your family, friends, neighbors and co-workers and join the Resistance.
Enough is enough with the Democrats vs Republicans. They have all betrayed us. We need a new political party run by representatives of the people. Not the Musk Rat's American party!
If you want to earn more money and have access to affordable housing, education, medical, child and elder care watch Senator Sanders YouTube videos or check out BernieSanders.com. Senator Sanders has a plan that benefit every American even the MAGAts. For the sake of our families and our savings accounts give the man a chance to lead us out of this madness.
Check Mobilize.us regularly to find or post a resistance movement or protest event near you.
"We are no longer Democrats or Republicans. We are either patriots fighting the regime or we are complicit in its tyranny. There is no middle ground." ~America's Professor, Robert Reich
If you are not terrified you should be. Read the article below.
https://open.substack.com/pub/robertreich/p/the-start-of-week-14?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=113nff
Wow. Excellent work. Thanks for educating me today.
Thank you for your hard work. Definitely more than the politicians are doing. Keep Digging. And be safe.
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https://substack.com/@righteousbrothers/note/c-137983152?r=v1piz&utm_medium=ios&utm_source=notes-share-action
Yes it's time for paper ballots with a lot of bi partisan citizen oversight. This is our country and these are our elections. Let's take them back.